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Is there a more pathetic loyalty bonus than this one?

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Is there a more pathetic loyalty bonus than this one?

Postby UK-21 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:04 am

SkyVegas - loyalty bonus for their regular clientelle:

Slot games - stake a quid, receive a brownie point
Instant win games - a brownie point for every £2 staked
Casino and table games -a brownie point for every £10 staked

When you've accumulated 200 brownie points you receive back . . . . . [color="#FF0000"]£1.00[/color]

So by my reckoning, if you're a casino games player, you have to put £2,000 across the electronic felt in order to qualify for a quid as a loyalty bonus (a rebate of 0.05%) ???

Does anyone know if there are any less generous ones than this in the offing anywhere?
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Postby thePOGG » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:48 pm

Surprisingly all in that loyalty program's far from the worst I've seen.

The standard Playtech comp point program offers 1 point for every £10 wagered on any game and 100 comp points converts to £1. Bet 365 and Doxx are the only venues I can think of off the top of my head where they offer any substantial improvement on this.

Comparatively, the Sky program is about 5 times better for slots players, 2.5 times better for instant win games, and about half as good for casino and table games. However, what you've missed here is that the points are not converted in to cash, but into a bonus with a 25xbonus wagering requirement. Oh and they can't be cashed in any time you like, it happens automatically once a month and you can't earn more than £250.

However, if you want to see an even weaker program you should have a look at the Mansion program - http://thepogg.com/casino-review/mansion/ - slow earning rates for all non-slots player, comp points that expire and can only be converted to NON-REDEEMABLE bonuses!! There are many other examples - including a lot of venues that don't offer any comp points - but to my mind the Mansion's program is amongst the weakest.
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Postby UK-21 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:33 pm

I also find the marketing of these promos fascinating - when they're presented by the operators as if they're doing their regulars a big favour? Reminds me of a photograph I saw online of a HUGE sign outside one of the famous LV casinos stating that single deck blackjack was being offered again, with a generous 6:5 payout (as opposed to the traditional 3:2) if you're dealt a snapper. Well it must be good - six is bigger than three isn't it? How depressing :(
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Postby thePOGG » Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:54 pm

UK-21 wrote:Reminds me of a photograph I saw online of a HUGE sign outside one of the famous LV casinos stating that single deck blackjack was being offered again, with a generous 6:5 payout (as opposed to the traditional 3:2) if you're dealt a snapper. Well it must be good - six is bigger than three isn't it? How depressing :(


I've been waiting for that particular peach to start its rounds online, but so far other than some out of the way places it's not happened.

To be fair you see the same sort of misleading advertisement across a capitalistic ventures. How do you feel about car salesmen, insurance salesmen, bankers? Look at supermarkets - they have to be constantly monitored to make sure they don't present 'sale' items as reduced from prices that they were never really sold from. It happens all over, it's simply that the gambling industry is based on an adversarial competitions, where you're encouraged to see the house as the opponent. When you find that they are playing games off the tables, it seems more abhorrent from some reason.
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Postby UK-21 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:38 pm

I agree. We have the Office of Fair Trading, trades description and consumer protection legislation and a Trading Standards Offficer in every Local Authority district across the land for very good reasons - in many cases to protect the naive and numerically challenged from being taken advantage of. Other countries, even some EU members, don't have all of this and simply rely on caveat emptor to cover such matters.

Trouble is, unlike the supermarkets, local secondhand car dealers, financial services outfits etc etc that you mention, with online gaming there is rarely, if ever, the opportunity to pursue blatant excesses and questionable practice (although offering naff promotions doesn't fall under that of course) due to jurisdiction issues. Interesting that even quite obvious UK gambling businesses choose to "base" (licence) their online operations overseas, despite they're bricks and mortar operations already being licensed and regulated by the UKGC in the UK?

Think we've deviated slightly off-topic . . .
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Postby thePOGG » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:55 pm

UK-21 wrote:Interesting that even quite obvious UK gambling businesses choose to "base" (licence) their online operations overseas, despite they're bricks and mortar operations already being licensed and regulated by the UKGC in the UK?

Think we've deviated slightly off-topic . . .


The conversation goes where the conversation goes and you've made an astute observation.

At the moment I'm not aware of a single online casino that is regulated in the UK or any other significant political body. All online regulation is currently in small island states. The UK government didn't exactly make the UK an attractive option though when they wanted to use 15% tax rates on licensed groups rather than the 2-3% they can pay offshore. Forget anything else, as a businessman which would you choose?

The licensing and regulation of casinos is a section of the reviews that we'll be looking to improve in the near-mid future. To do so though depends on us being able to get the information out of the regulators which could be challenging.

BTW - In the next couple of days we should have the rating system improved so that you can look at the casino ratings specifically based on how good a casino bonus is for Video Poker ;) You should also be able to reorder the list by wagering requirements if you want to play Video Poker.
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Postby UK-21 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:51 pm

thePOGG wrote:The licensing and regulation of casinos is a section of the reviews that we'll be looking to improve in the near-mid future. To do so though depends on us being able to get the information out of the regulators which could be challenging.


I think you're right. I wouldn't put a bet on it . . . .

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