Betregal - Duty of care

Hi miltree18 - welcome to ThePOGG.com!

Before we go any further are you resident in Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland?

Thanks,

ThePOGG

Hi I’m from the Republic of Ireland

Hi milltree18,

As we are the ADR for the Apsire Global license under the Malta Gaming Authority license there is certain information we have to provide you now.

You can find all the relevant information about this service here – http://thepogg.com/terms-of-use/ and the terms of use for our complaint service here - https://thepogg.com/terms-of-use-for-dispute-resolution-service/

To summarise.

– Use of this service does not preclude your seeking redress through court proceedings .

– This service is free to use for both the complainant and operator.

– At any point during the procedure the submitting party retains the right to withdraw their complaint. This does not preclude our right to continue the discussion with the involved operator of general issues related to the complaint (i.e. insufficiently clear terms and conditions).

– You are not obliged to obtain independent or legal advice or representation, though you may choose to do so.

If you have any questions about the above, let me know.

Before we go any further, you reference having asked to close your account - did you at any point clearly inform the operator that you were requesting a closure of your account due to gambling problems? If so can you provide a record?

Thanks,

ThePOGG

Ok I understand. I told the operator I wanted to close the account multiple times 4 times in the one day & they kept asking me did I want a free bet to keep it open they gave me 6 Free bets to keep the account open! After me spending the €8000 I was up. I was after losing so much I wanted to just stop after that but as a gambler I was not going to refuse a free bet which lead my to deposit a further 2500 a few hours later. I have transcripts of the chat & transactions but I believe some of the chat has been removed as I told them I had lost to much money. Also the transactions don’t match because the last betting transactions date is 26/04/19 when the last Deposit was on 10/05/19 on the transactions report they sent me.

Will I sent the chats & transactions on to you? If so what is the email address please?

Hi milltree18,

Under MGA regulations a basic request to close the account, without any direct indication that the account is being closed due to problem gambling issues would not be required to managed under responsible gambling policies. The operator would be within their rights to offer you incentives to keep the account open if you have not given an indication of problems.

Can you please forward the Live Chat records on to [email protected]?

Thanks,

ThePOGG

Attached is the transcripts of chat! Missing is when I told them I have lost to much money also on the transactions list you can see they are not all there either as my last deposit was on the 10/05/19 but the list finishes on the 26/04/19?

I think when someone tries to close there account 4 times in the one day in the space of a few hours the operator has a duty as they can see how much the player is losing if there is a chance of Winning money back on free bets nobody would refuse that chance especially a gambler with a problem that has lost thousands!! Also I was told I couldn’t close the account as I was a VIP

I have emailed the documents have you received them??

See below on the Betregal website they didn’t follow through with this with me. [EDIT]

Hi milltree18,

I've reviewed your chat transcripts. Unfortunately despite a few requests to close your account you do not specifically tell the operator that you have a gambling issue. When you say you can't win a bet, have no luck and even that you're going to try your luck elsewhere.

Based on MGA requirements you need to have told the operator clearly that you are closing your account due to gambling problems before your account would be managed under Responsible Gambling policies and from what you've provided I cannot see that you have done this. Even saying that you've 'lost too much' can be interpreted in multiple way and given that you've directly indicated your intention to gamble elsewhere the operator's actions have not been out of line with approved practices.

So I need to ask again - did you clearly tell the operator that you were closing your account due to gambling issues?

Thanks,

ThePOGG

I told them I wanted to close the account as I was losing to much money & they told me I couldn’t as I was a VIP! If someone is losing to much money does that not say there’s a problem??? They just kept passing me around to keep the account open cause I lost over 8000 in a few days. Why have they edited both transcripts?? On there website they say there operators are trained to pick up on these things so why were the following not picked up on losing 8000 in a few days asking for account to be closed 5 times in one day! Depositing a further 2500 & losing then trying to close the account again! Maybe if I’d have won then the account would be watched more? They knew what they were doing 100%

Any update?

Hi is there Any Update ?

Any update on this Please

Hi milltree18,

As stated at the bottom of every complaint thread, we only offer updates when we have new information to communicate. We will revert to you at the appropriate juncture.

ThePOGG

Hi milltree18,

I've now reviewed the full chat transcript records provided by BetRegal. As with the records you provided I can see no point during these conversations where you directly informed the operator of having a gambling problem. Each time you request an account closure the operator follows the correct protocol and ask for a reason for the account closure. Each time this happens you indicate that it is because you have not been lucky, haven't won or want to try your luck elsewhere. Given the lace of indication of a problem the operator offers you a promotional incentive to consider keeping the account open, which you agree to.

By MGA regulations there is nothing problematic in what's happened.

However, my understanding is that upon review that BetRegal have decided to consider your request on the 10th of May a self-exclusion rather than a standard closure request and have refunded all deposits made after this point.

Can you confirm receipt of your funds?

Thanks,

ThePOGG

Hi milltree18,

I'm following-up on the above?

Thanks,

ThePOGG

Hi, I have received around €2450 of the €7500 I deposited & I received an email from Betregal for this return to which I have replied to stating I want a full refund or I Will be going further. I also informed them that there manner & customer service has been appalling in dealing with this matter. Thank you

Hi milltree18,

As stated above, we can see no sound grounds for any refund under the MGA regulations that BetRegal are required to meet based on your interactions with the operator. While we certainly were not about to argue against the operator's decision to enforce a partial refund, it is not something we would have required them to do.

There is nothing further we can do for you.

ThePOGG