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Re: Affiliate Program Reviews

Postby thePOGG » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:26 am

Adrian wrote:the behaviour of some IGC-platforms is worrying. Casinoland is on hacked websites for example, JoReels seems to have a connection with Game Tech indeed and Ikibu is a very slow payer for example.


CasinoLand - I'm not spending as much time on some affiliate communities these days - I wasn't aware this was still an issue as I'm not seeing hacked sites in the rankings with any regularity. Can you provide some examples?

JoReels - This was highlighted in the post above ;) We were actually one of the main groups involved in bringing those connections to light - https://thepogg.com/affiliate-manager-or-owner-the-joreelswolf-affiliates-connection/

Ikibu - Affiliate or player payments? We've not seen any significant volume of player complaints, and looking on AG where the most complaints are dealt with I see nothing significant or particularly recent....

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Re: Affiliate Program Reviews

Postby Adrian » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:10 pm

At worldwidebestcasinos.com for example. Casinoland is #1 there at the UK-subpage. I see less and less hacked sites appearing in the rankings, but it's still annoying in my opinion.

Yes, great piece of research. Their names are dirty, so they try to hide after white labels.

I know at least 2 affilates that didnt get paid and had to wait months for their payments. One of them also with a player test account. Reasons was a big winner in the casino.
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Re: Affiliate Program Reviews

Postby thePOGG » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:21 am

Hi Adrian,

- worldwidebestcasinos.com - this isn't actually a hacked site but does bear suspicious hallmarks of been the central hub site for a hacked site. I'd need to see an actual hacked site before I could start approaching programs to get affiliate accounts closed.

- Ty very much. I was quite pleased with that one myself. Another similar report will be published later today about different groups.

- I think you're referring to the issue that occurred late last year/early this year. A player hit a big win at Chance Hill, big enough that the operator weren't adequately funded to pay it (mid 6 figures as I recall and not a progressive jackpot so the operator were own the money, not a progressive jackpot pool). Rather than leave the player short the operator sold Chance Hill to pay down the outstanding debts. This did cause some payment delays, but everyone was ultimately paid after the sale was finalised. I'm not going to say that I love casinos being underfunded to pay this type of win, but realistically most small operators would struggle to pay wins of this size and I'd vastly prefer to see some payment delays compared with non-payments. As far as I'm aware there haven't been any similar issues with Ikibu.

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Re: Affiliate Program Reviews

Postby Adrian » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:42 pm

It was for sure at websites like beerlawoffice.com and sullivaninc.net. I've seen evidence at GPWA.The websites seem to be cleaned up.

I did have a look at Google news, there I found now some websites. With the usual suspects, but also with Bethard and Casino Room. Example is ironbladeonline.com/?ozwtt=1744359640 that links to shop.insurancecosts.top/search.html?key=casino#fb and that links to casinointorus.com. I will post it when I find websites where worldwidebestcasinos.com appears.

Yes, it was a very good catch. It's difficult to see who's really behind a white label, while it's important information. People think iGaming Cloud, Maltese license, that should be fine. But it isn't always. The Aspire Global research you did shows the same thing. Not every individual owner is trustable.

Even before that, they were struggling to pay some affiliates. I must say the guy I know is a smaller affiliate. He was told something that he should understand they were just beginning, etc. I am not a fan of casinos that are not able to pay winners. If you let people play with € 150 / spin or in the live casino with x.xxx or xx.xxx, they can also win big amounts. Some games perhaps even give the chance to win xxx.xxx with a lower stake. Perhaps I sound very non-commercial, but if you're not able to pay the prize, then you should not allow players to put that kind of stakes.

Yes, I think many casinos will face problems if somebody wins big. Everybody with a bit of money can start up a white label nowadays. I don't think that's good. They compete each other just with affiliate commissions that aren't sustainable or with bonuses full of tricky and vague terms, that are sometimes even interpreted in a very liberal way. They do not compete with products. It's white label, so 25 of them basically are having the same product with just another logo.
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Re: Affiliate Program Reviews

Postby thePOGG » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:46 pm

I largely agree with that - I think white labels are a haven for the underfunded owner who is taking a shot. They either manage to avoid the big win long enough to become adequately funded or they get hit and close up shop without paying. That said I have seen some good operators come out of the white label model and wouldn't want to tar everyone with the one brush too quickly.....

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Re: Affiliate Program Reviews

Postby thePOGG » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:31 am

New aff program reviews all from the Jumpman Gaming platform all with problem player dormancy and progressive jackpot withdrawal terms:

http://poggwebmasters.com/affiliate-program/big-city-slots-affiliates/ - NCO, disclaimer about not tracking mobile traffic accurately
http://poggwebmasters.com/affiliate-program/coco-slots-affiliates/ - NCO, disclaimer about not tracking mobile traffic accurately
http://poggwebmasters.com/affiliate-program/jumpman-affiliates/ - Minimum Activity Quota, NCO
http://poggwebmasters.com/affiliate-program/yohoo-slots-affiliates/ - NCO, disclaimer about not tracking mobile traffic accurately

The MAQ puts Jumpman Affiliates straight to Not Recommended and the other programs have a term explicitly stating that they don't take responsibility for tracking mobile traffic accurately. Given that mobile traffic is a massive slice of the traffic pie these days that's a huge risk for any affiliate.

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